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Plymouth Industrial REIT (PLYM -2.86%)
Q3 2024 Earnings Call
Nov 07, 2024, 9:00 a.m. ET
Contents:
- Prepared Remarks
- Questions and Answers
- Call Participants
Prepared Remarks:
Operator
Good morning, and welcome to the Plymouth Industrial REIT conference call to review the company’s results for the third quarter of 2024. [Operator instructions] After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. [Operator instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Tripp Sullivan of investor relations.
Please go ahead.
Tripp Sullivan — Investor Relations
Thank you. Good morning. Welcome to the Plymouth Industrial REIT conference call to review the company’s results for the third quarter of 2024. Yesterday afternoon, we issued our earnings release and posted a copy of our prepared commentary and a supplemental deck on the quarterly results section of our investor relations page.
In addition to these earnings docents, a copy of our 10-Q when filed, can be found on the SEC filings page of the IR site. Our supplemental deck includes our full year 2024 guidance assumptions, detailed information on our operations, portfolio and balance sheet, definitions of non-GAAP measures, and reconciliations to the most comparable GAAP measures. We will reference this information in our remarks. With me today is Jeff Witherell, chairman and chief executive officer; Anthony Saladino, executive vice president and chief financial officer; Jim Connolly, executive vice president of asset management; and Anne Hayward, general counsel.
I’d like to point everyone to our forward-looking statements on Page 1 of our supplemental presentation and encourage you to read them carefully. They apply to statements made in this call, our press release, our prepared commentary, and in our supplemental financial information. I’ll now turn the call over to Jeff Witherell.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Thanks, Tripp. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. I’ll hit a few highlights first, and then we’ll go to Q&A. We’ve made some big announcements the past few months relating to securing capital that can propel our growth.
In late August, we announced the strategic transaction with Sixth Street. I view this as transformative for us in several respects. Most notably, we put a valuation marker on our largest portfolio with the Chicago recap JV and sourced capital for up to $500 million in acquisitions. We secured a tremendous partner in Sixth Street who has continued to build out their real estate platform.
We also significantly enhanced our borrowing capacity with this month’s refinancing and upsizing of our unsecured credit facilities to $1.5 billion. With this increase in the revolver in recasting of one of the term loans, we’ve extended our maturities and enhanced the ability to pursue other unsecured debt. The combination of Sixth Street and the additional borrowing capacity solves our current capital needs. Our focus for the balance of this year and throughout 2025 is on our leasing opportunities and putting the capital to work.
That’s what you can expect to hear from us the next several quarters. Our earnings release in prepared commentary outlined a few tenant challenges we faced during the quarter that we did not anticipate. We are confident that we will work through these and get the spaces leased. We’ve always done a great job of keeping our buildings well leased and expect that Plymouth will have a greater exit velocity and moment wrapping up this year.
That will set us up for a strong 2025. We’re off to a good start on the acquisitions front with the Memphis portfolio we completed during the quarter. We have another portfolio under contract in Cincinnati that we’re excited about. Our pursuit pipeline is over 11 million square feet and over $1 billion in size with nearly all of the opportunities located in our existing markets.
We know these markets well and we now have the capital to expand our scale. I look forward to providing more updates over the next several months on how we’re progressing with the leasing and capital deployment. I would now like to turn it over to the operator for questions.
Questions & Answers:
Operator
[Operator instructions] The first question comes from Mitch Germain with Citizens JMP. Please go ahead.
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
Good morning. So, Jeff, maybe just talk about some of the issues that arrived. I mean, I know you have them in your prepared comments, but I think last quarter you mentioned an issue in Cleveland that was unanticipated. But it seems like, now you have some other vacancies that were realized that — were they unanticipated or the lease was delayed? Can you just maybe describe a little bit more detail about those different situations?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Sure, Mitch. Jim Connolly is here, as you know, he’s head of asset management, so he’s got all the detail on that. So we’ll let him walk you through it.
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
So starting off with Cleveland, we had two issues in Cleveland, one at 2100 International Parkway where the tenant was up to date through Q2 and rent, but abruptly laid off all its employees and they couldn’t pay rent. So we evicted them effective 9/30 and are taking legal action against them for whatever rent they owe us and in future rent. At the end of Q2, we were pretty far along with a half building user, but they put that deal on hold. However, now we’re really far along with the full building user that wants to take the building at the beginning of 2025.
So we acted pretty quickly and got a tenant identified. We also have a backup tenant for that building, should that deal not go through. The other building in Cleveland, in 1350 Moore Road. The tenant was current as of as of Q2.
However, it became clear that the business was not going to be viable going forward and we started the eviction process. This all happened very quickly. The tenant left a bunch of equipment in inventory behind that had to be cleared out, which was cost us approximately $500,000 to clear up. We had a replacement tenant that was executed and is currently in dispute due to the prior tenant interference that we still need to resolve. We are pursuing legal action against the prior tenant and trying to rectify the situation with the new one.
We are also pursuing new prospects that have — that we have lined up for next year should our current lease not be rectified. And we do have a specific prospect in mind. I want to point out on vacancy that it is really — it’s not a bunch of new vacancies that Saint Louis property that we’ve talked about all year just went vacant in July and and there was the Chicago property that’s been vacant. We’re not going to get into detail about a second, but if you exclude those two, we only have it’s 2.7% vacancy.
So it’s really just those two leases that drove the Q3 vacancy.
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
OK. Thanks for the clarification. Thinking about some of these tenant issues, I know that it appears that they weren’t exactly things that were on your watch list, prior to identifying them, but are you spending a bit more time engaging with your clients to gain a better sense of their respective businesses to identify what other issues could arise.
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Yes. We’re constantly doing that. In this case, I think we moved swiftly to eliminate a long protracted problem, and we’re working with all our tenants.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Mitch, I think you know we’ve been on this for seven years about this, right. We built a vertically integrated platform. We manage about 75% of our own properties in-house. We engage with our tenants on a daily basis.
This was something that came up very swift. It’s not a portfoliowide issue. And as Jim alluded to, we’re backfilling these both of these spaces, very quickly.
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
OK. Jeff, anything you could share about the Cincinnati portfolio?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, it is about $40 million. It’s a multi-tenant. I think it’s going to come in at a pretty good yield. I think we’re going to like the yield on it, and it’s got the growth that we’re looking for similar to Memphis.
That’s probably about it. I mean, we are under contract.
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
I was just saying is that going to close prior to year end or you anticipate it like right around?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
I believe it will close before year end.
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
OK. And then maybe just provide some perspective on I think what you said about $1 billion pipeline, 11 million square feet was that?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
That is correct.
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
Can you — anything there that — I mean is it one off, is it portfolios? And then to the extent, obviously you’ve got about — if we net out the $40 million purchase, you’ve got about like 450 or so of dry powder from the recent transaction that’s closing. So kind of what is their potential to grow sixth Street as well to maybe unlock some additional growth.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, to all that. It’s certainly — there’s three portfolios in there. Again, I don’t know where these go. I mean we’re actively negotiating.
So we’ll see. One portfolio would be on balance sheet. We have another one that would work as a JV. And that’s mostly a geographic concentration as well as if it’s got the value add component that we don’t want to bring on balance sheet, the same reasons we’ve done JVs in the past, right? So we have that identified. There’s a lot more one off deals that are popping up in our markets and then just small portfolios, $15 million to $20 million portfolios.
So it runs the gamut. Again we look for some good starting yield, but we’re also looking for growth. And that’s the mandate. So we’re pretty excited about our existing footprint.
We’ve got some — as I think you alluded to before, we have a couple deals in Texas we’re looking at. So that would be a market that we’ve always wanted to get into. And we’ll see how that plays out. So Sixth Street is there with plenty of capital.
It’s really just putting the deals together.
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
Thank you.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Rich Anderson with Wedbush. Please go ahead.
Richard Anderson — Analyst
Hey, thanks. Good morning. Maybe just to put a finer point on Mitch’s question around Cleveland. You mentioned abruptly laid off employees in the case of 2100 and business not viable in the case of 1350.
Maybe I don’t know what those businesses were and maybe don’t want to know, but I’m curious as to what the learning event is from this in terms of just sort of monitoring credit monitoring industries that you’re exposed to. And if there’s anything that you take from this that you look throughout your portfolio and say, you know, we’ve got to give something here or there, a second look and make sure that we’re protected. Any comment around that topic?
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Yes. Obviously, both of these industries were fairly new industries. One was — the one at 2100 was a online retailer that had some sort of new system that was going to improve everybody’s online ordering. But it didn’t really pan out.
Everybody used different sources and we kept them. I mean they were in there for a couple of years and they were always current on rent. And we had — we made sure that all of our investments are commissions and tenant improvements were paid back. We had a letter of credit that covered all that, so we didn’t lose out on that investment we lost on the future part of it.
And the other tenant is refurbishing windmill furniture. So it’s a business that is viable plan, but it’s just — it’s in its infancy and they were current for a couple of years as well. So I would say, moving forward, we would definitely not pursue these new type of transactions without a larger backing financial support.
Richard Anderson — Analyst
OK. I guess I never thought of sitting on a windmill. I guess now I am thinking about — the second question is the marker on the Chicago cap rate with Sixth Street of 6.2%. Would you agree — not to be a cynic here, but would you agree that that number was influenced by the fact that there was also the preferred and there was also the warrants like in the absence of those other elements of the transaction, would that 6.2% really have been 6.2% or would it have been something greater?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Well, Rich, this is Jeff. I think it’s — I mean, Sixth Street wouldn’t have done one without the other. I mean, I think this is a transformative transaction. They underwrote the entire company.
They looked at — they physically looked at over 75% of our assets. So they’re backing Plymouth, if you will. But as far as the portfolio is concerned and this is where I’ll go back to this and continue to pound the table as I’ve done for the last six months, there have been a number of trades out there of like-kind properties to Plymouth portfolios of anywhere from 5 million square feet to 14 million square feet that have traded between six and six and a half cap. That’s the marker.
So again, we have 35 million square feet of property at a great basis and we’re going to get all this product leased as we always do. All of us in this room have been in the business for at least 20, 25 years. And I think when you cap our NOI next year, you’re going to be right back into a great NAV calc based on those comps. I mean we’re in the market every day looking at portfolios and we’re getting outbid because people are paying you know six, six and a quarter caps for this stuff. So I stand by that.
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
One follow-up to Jim’s commentary with respect to 1350 more, this tenant was on the watch list. We were working closely with them to potentially recapitalize their business. And as a contingency plan, we sourced, identified, and fully negotiated with a new tenant at a 27% positive spread to expiring rents. That’s the tenant that Jim mentioned with respect to the lease up and now there is some legal contention, but ultimately that will be sorted out here in the near future.
So I don’t want the takeaway to be that we haven’t been acutely focused on tenant health. We have been. These tenants in particular were closely watched. I think what we were surprised by was the velocity of change, but to Jim’s point, we moved quickly to vacate a tenant that wasn’t going to pay rent, sourced, identified and prepared the space to accommodate a new tenant at a substantially improved rental rate.
Richard Anderson — Analyst
Very good, thanks for that. And then last question for me, you mentioned you know, NOI next year, I don’t think you’re going to give guidance, but there’s a lot of movement here, right? You have Chicago. You have Cleveland, Memphis, the joint venture and Saint Louis. Of course, when you net all that up, is there growth next year from the company, or do you think that you got to work some things out and sort of TBD that maybe the real number to look at would be the year following when everything is sort of addressed?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
No. I do believe that there is significant growth ahead. We will — I don’t know if we’ll get into it if asked this question. But like in Saint Louis, we ran through a whole — I think we ran through over 10 prospects.
We now have another group of prospects in there. I mean I think if you look at the overall national vacancy rate, it’s at 6.4%. Long term average is 7%. All the brokerages are telling us that they feel that 2025 is going to be an uptick.
Construction, I think we’re delivering about 300 million square feet this year. That’s the lowest since 2018. So there’s still 96 million square feet of absorption so far year to date. Probably going to break 100 million square feet.
So there’s still good things happening in industrial, and if you go to Memphis, we have a lot of opportunity to mark to market. I think we did tell people, but I’ll reiterate it that we started that out at an eight yield over the next two to three years. That probably gets us to a 10yield. I think the Cincinnati portfolio is going to provide similar metrics.
So I feel really confident that we get Saint Louis leased up as we’ve mentioned these two properties in Cleveland have prospects there that we’re working on. So I feel really confident that we’re going to get some pretty good growth next year.
Richard Anderson — Analyst
I agree it’s just a matter of timing, right? You get something leased up, but it doesn’t necessarily cash flow immediately. Is the main point that I’m thinking about and just the cadence between ’25 and ’26?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes.
Richard Anderson — Analyst
That’s all I got. Thanks. Thanks very much.
Operator
The next question comes from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
John Kim — Analyst
Thank you. On your Memphis acquisition, you mentioned Accredo Health is leaving some of their space by year end. Was that known previously? Because I think in the last call you mentioned that 70% tenant retention rate on the portfolio.
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
Hey, John, this is Anthony. Yes, that that square footage was a known vacate. There’s about 100,000 of that. That was previously a call center that we’re converting back to more templated industrial space.
We don’t know if we’re going to deliver two 50,000 square foot suites or 100,000 square foot building. We’re going through the diligence on that as we speak. And then there’s another 33,000 square feet, again, previously occupied by Accredo Health. It has a higher office finish.
It’s an office-like building. We’re likely to divest that. In fact, that is currently under contract.
John Kim — Analyst
OK, and then communication test design, they renewed or extended which is what you had indicated. What are the chances that they extend past that year and would that be at market rent or is there a prearranged renewal rate?
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
There’s no prearranged rate. Obviously, it’s a large space. So it would be at market or a slight discount to market because they’re taking up a lot of space. But their contract, the reason why they wanted a one-year deal was because their contract has a one year out on it with DirecTV, I believe.
And as soon as that extension date goes by, they will extend. Now if for some reason that contract didn’t extend — there’s two buildings there. It’s not one building they would always need one of the two buildings, so they would extend them. One of them, not the other one.
So it’s not likely that they’re going to move out.
John Kim — Analyst
In your prepared commentary, there was a mention of transitory vacancy, 287,000 square feet. Some of that was going to — it sounds like a start into 2025. But then there was wording about executing leases and 70% of that space. So I’m not really sure if those two sentences tied to each other.
I was wondering if you could just elaborate on that.
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
There was some leases that that we expected to start in Q4 or start generating cash in Q4 that likely going to start in 2025.
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
So the 70% reference, John, was for leases executed but not commenced. So we’ll see contribution from 70% of that transitory vacancy in early Q1.
John Kim — Analyst
So when you say executed, that means occupancy not signing a lease?
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
No. Executed lease, they haven’t taken occupancy nor has rent commenced as of yet. But we have a lease agreement that is drafted and signed.
John Kim — Analyst
And then on your pursuit pipeline, I think it’s the first time you’ve used that wording of 11 million square feet. How much of that do you expect to eventually close?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
That’s a tough question, John. We really don’t know. We don’t — we’re so volatile when it comes to acquisitions and capital that we don’t — we can’t say 10% closure rate. And if it’s on the pipeline it’s really something that we could execute on.
So this is not product in California or somewhere like that. This is product that’s in our markets. I don’t have a great answer for you to say that, but I will say that we’re actively negotiating over $300 million of of acquisitions as we sit here today with LOIs.
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
John, I think the way to look at that is that pursuit pipeline is a subset of the larger pipeline, and so there is a higher kind of confidence level around execution. But to Jeff’s point, that’s a difficult thing to specifically handicap.
John Kim — Analyst
Yes, because last quarter it was less than 1 million square feet, now it’s 11 million. So it’s a pretty big jump. So I’m just wondering if you widen the net.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Well, we closed it, we closed a six seat transaction, right, which — you never know. That’s a deal like that’s going to close until you get to the table and sign the docs which we did. And so with that capital, we now can put LOIs out and stuff like that. So capital is always the question.
If you have it, you can be aggressive, and if you don’t, you can’t be. So that’s the catalyst. The Sixth Street capital is the catalyst for us to have a much bigger pipeline that’s actionable, not just to talk about it.
John Kim — Analyst
Thank you.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Todd Thomas with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Todd Thomas — Analyst
Hi, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask about the NOI bridge or the FFO bridge that was provided in the prepared commentary, which was really helpful. Thank you for that. And sort of going back to Rich’s question about earnings or NOI growth going forward.
Maybe just to confirm around the fourth quarter, it looks like the three cent NOI shortfall, that’s the piece that’s not recurring. So your 4Q implied guidance is $0.48 at the midpoint $0.47 at the lower bound. Is that right, and is that how we should think about the exit rate into 2025? Or when we think about you know some of the moving pieces around the Sixth Street transaction and other leasing and so forth? Is there anything else that would weigh on FFO as we do think about sort of the run rate into ’25?
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
No, I think your interpretation of the articulation of that bridge is accurate. I think Jim mentioned we did have some one time impacts the most meaningful of which was $500,000 cleanup fee essentially related to the tenancy at 1350 Moore.
Todd Thomas — Analyst
Got it. So that includes now everything that’s been announced, everything you know, and then some of the lease up, some of the commencements, and some of the capital deployment. All of that should build off of the fourth quarter FFO run rate.
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
Correct.
Todd Thomas — Analyst
OK. And then I just had a question about leasing in general and sort of the leasing pipeline and some of the discussions that you’re having with tenants. We’ve heard about longer decision making timeframes. I’m just curious to get your take with the election being behind us, does that improve leasing activity at all at the margin or is there still a bit of uncertainty or maybe more uncertainty and hesitation around maybe certain policies that might prohibit leasing activity from picking up a bit.
What’s your thought process there? What are you hearing?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
So Jim will jump in here in a minute, Todd, but this is Jeff. I think you know we were together four or five weeks ago. And after that, you know the velocity of leasing really slowed down again, whether the election or whatever. But , I think we were out four or five weeks ago talking to investors.
And we actually felt a pick up in activity, but the last three or four weeks there’s been a — was a real slowdown. Personally, I would think that is leading up to the election and you know possible rate cut today and so on and so forth. Jim, you want to add some color?
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Yes, I specifically — on Saint Louis, we had a couple of tenants that said they weren’t going to make a decision until after the election. So hopefully, they get back to us in the very near future.
Todd Thomas — Analyst
OK, thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Brendan Lynch with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Brendan Lynch — Analyst
Great. Thank you for taking my question. On the Saint Louis asset, Jeff, you mentioned that you had about 10 prospects, and now you have different prospects. Can you give any color on how that process is evolving and the new lease proposal is?
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Sure. Jim, Saint Louis.
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Sure. So a little recap of the Saint Louis market. So there’s approximately 3.8 million of space available in Edwardsville submarket and seven buildings including ours. There are four leasing transactions that are nearing completion that would effectively take half of the space off the market.
These are deals for various reasons are not ideal for us. Pricing was low and there’s some hazard issues that on — what’s being stored. So we’re not expecting to close on these. However, we’re still in the RFP process on those.
However, if we don’t ultimately close on one of them and leave — that will leave only three buildings with space over 325,000 square feet in the market. When one of these is only 326,000 square feet. So there’s only one — we are one of two buildings that can support a user over 500,000 square feet. So what I’m getting at is we’re really the only game in the market, and our building is new and that other is 30 years old.
So I — with all this pickup in the market and activity, I’m really confident that we’re going to land a prospect very soon.
Brendan Lynch — Analyst
OK, thank you. That’s helpful. Some of your peers are also leaning more into occupancy over rate at present. Given the uptick in vacancy in the portfolio, can you talk about how you’re trying to balance those two things as we go into 2025?
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
So specifically in Q2, our number — our rent growth was a little lower, and partially to do — because we had two renewals in Indianapolis on large tenants that took up additional space because they took on additional space, the rent increase wasn’t quite as high. So that drove it down from where we were at, normally like 18% down to like the 12% to 12.2% that you see. So really, we are factoring that into our deals, and in this case we’re working with tenants to expand, and of course, give them a little rate discount if they do.
Brendan Lynch — Analyst
Great. Thank you for taking my questions.
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Thank you.
Operator
The next question comes from Anthony Hau with Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
Anthony Hau — Truist Securities — Analyst
Good morning, guys. Can you guys provide any progress update on the remaining lead space that Leti in Saint Louis and the the 16801 exchange in Chicago? And what’s the interest level for these spaces right now?
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Yes, we’re really confident that the existing tenant is going to expand into either all of the 40,000 square feet left at Leti or at least half probably by the end of the year. That’s that time frame. And on exchange that building, there’s been a lot of interest. But a deal hasn’t come come through.
What we’re doing is we’ve managed to get the taxes down quite a bit during the year through our appeal process. But we’re also applying for a 6B status, which requires the building to be vacant for one year, which it will be at the end of this year. And that’ll get us an additional 60% savings on taxes and make the building much more attractive going forward.
Anthony Hau — Truist Securities — Analyst
And then for the Saint Louis building, if you guys can find an attractive deal, at what point do you decide to redevelop it into a multi-tenant building, and what would the incremental return be?
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
So I mean ideally we want to not go beyond — we really want two tenants in there, one or two. We don’t really want to go beyond that. It’s easily divided into two. You get into three, you’re going to have to put in more offices.
So that’s our objective is to keep it to one or two at this point.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
And that particular building? That’s the case with every building, Anthony, right, this is Jeff. Some buildings are conducive to multi-tenant and some are not. So when you have 1 million square feet, you don’t just break it up into 10 bays or something like that. How are your doors? How is it sprinklered? Where are the wastewater? I mean all these things come into play.
If you have to start jackhammering concrete floors to put in pipes, that cost a fortune. So we’re on that — that’s something we’re specialists at.
Anthony Hau — Truist Securities — Analyst
OK. And just one last question for me. For the Cleveland spaces, are you guys expecting to receive rent payments through the eviction court?
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
We have infected it in, but we are expecting to get some competition.
Anthony Hau — Truist Securities — Analyst
And how much would that be? And would you guys receive it year end or like in 2025?
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
I would not count on that, Anthony. Let us work the process. But from a modeling perspective and certainly from an accounting perspective, I would expect zero return.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Yes, we don’t want to be talking on an open call our legal strategies.
Anthony Hau — Truist Securities — Analyst
OK.
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
All right, but we’re on it. This is — this isn’t our first rodeo. All set.
Operator
[Operator signoff]
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Call participants:
Tripp Sullivan — Investor Relations
Jeffrey E. Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Mitchell Germain — Analyst
Jeff Witherell — Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
James M. Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Mitch Germain — Analyst
Jim Connolly — Executive Vice President, Asset Management
Richard Anderson — Analyst
Rich Anderson — Analyst
Anthony Saladino — Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer
John Kim — Analyst
Todd Thomas — Analyst
Brendan Lynch — Analyst
Anthony Hau — Truist Securities — Analyst
